74 Comments:
Truly depressing.
»» Submitted by »»» ranty at 12:12 AM on March 1
Ugh!
»» Submitted by »»» ericam at 12:27 AM on March 1
Fucking pigs.
»» Submitted by blech at 12:28 AM on March 1
Disgusting. From his past, sounds like he's a real bad apple.
»» Submitted by »»» chuck at 1:27 AM on March 2
yeehaw let's round up some a-rabs
»» Submitted by darn tootin at 8:14 AM on March 2
one super-confused fella. this maybe a symptom of how the war of ideas is being conducted domestically.
Just a couple of suggestions of how antagonism could have arisen between cops and Ellison: he was a criminal defense lawyer, and he did introduce a bill in the legislature that would have decriminalized making false reports of brutality against a cop.
ah yes, the thought police. Now both literally and figuratively.
»» Submitted by a casual observer at 8:37 AM on March 2
You can find a dozen or so conservative bloggers in this town who make the same claim at least once daily.
»» Submitted by Milton at 9:01 AM on March 2
I'm calling RT today and you should too.
This kind of scum should not be patrolling our streets.
No wonder people are afraid to talk to the police or come forward as witnesses. This guy should lose his job and pension.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 9:29 AM on March 2
Here is the contact information for the Minneapolis Police Federation.
Please take a minute to express your disgust that this complete asshole is the VICE PRESIDENT of the federation.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 9:31 AM on March 2
So he's cooked in your opinion based on hearsay evidence from unnamed sources?
»» Submitted by The Rat at 9:43 AM on March 2
"...opinion based on hearsay evidence from unnamed sources?"
Good enough to start a darn tooting war, I'd say!
»» Submitted by W at 9:48 AM on March 2
If you were under his command would you let them use your name?
The guy is in his forties and is still getting in street fights!
Is this the type of person we want as a leader for our police force?
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 9:51 AM on March 2
Bit of a non sequitur, there.
»» Submitted by The Rat at 9:51 AM on March 2
I asked a question. I'll assume your answer is yes, Simpleton.
»» Submitted by The Rat at 9:53 AM on March 2
I find this story shocking...NOT.
»» Submitted by grote at 9:54 AM on March 2
Tom, I wonder if this cop is aware of Ellison's legal background. I suspect not.
Seems our friend has a little past!
Kenfield vs Wrecker Services Inc and the City of Minneapolis
Cost the city $15,000 for beating up someone in handcuffs!
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 10:00 AM on March 2
So he's cooked in your opinion based on hearsay evidence from unnamed sources?
I think you have a dubious notion of what hearsay is. This was a first hand account of these two officers having heard him actually say it. Just because they declined to give their names does not make it hearsay.
hear·say Pronunciation[heer-sey] noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 10:04 AM on March 2
I can tell you guys are gonna hate it when Rudy Giuliani's president.
»» Submitted by curtis at 10:06 AM on March 2
A photo of the cop in question with Gov. Pawlenty. He's even got the standard issue MSP 'Stache
»» Submitted by grote at 10:06 AM on March 2
Here is another Tidbit about Lt. Bob Kroll.
City Pages:
Sgt. Robert Kroll was demoted for three months in 2003 for "ethical violations." And in 1994 Kroll was initially suspended for five days for excessive use of force, but that decision was later overturned by then-Chief John Laux.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 10:11 AM on March 2
Here is the report of the Incident with Remington.
Southside Pride
This guy is a stellar citizen.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 10:12 AM on March 2
Hate to say it, but the pig is kind of hot, even with the stache.
»» Submitted by I have a thing for uniforms at 10:21 AM on March 2
I think you have a dubious notion of what hearsay is.
Since you want to throw the dictionary definition at me I don't know that it's dubious, as it seems to follow the definition. Maybe a little looser than your idea of hearsay, but certainly not dubious.
»» Submitted by The Rat at 10:20 AM on March 2
Nice! He's also 6th on the list of Officers with the most community complaints!
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 10:32 AM on March 2
Rat, it came from direct testimony of witnesses. There's no way that's hearsay.
Listen, I suppose mustache cop is entitled to his opinion, but one would think that it doesn't suit the public safety standards to have a policeman who can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a congressman, and neither does it speak well that someone who will almost certainly have to deal with Muslims that he doesn't even know what they're called.
what a fucktard.
»» Submitted by »»» Bixby at 12:11 PM on March 2
Racists like curtis, T-Paw, and this fink pig cop will be shitting themselves when Obama is Prez.
»» Submitted by Raindog66 at 12:51 PM on March 2
I am certain he meant to say "terrorist sympathizer", which is accurate.
But the libtards will be reminded that he didn't actually "call" him ANYTHING, according to what I read.
He simply stated "we are at war with the Islamic", which is certainly true.
Support our men in blue AND in desert camo!
And since when is 'terrorist" a "slur" as the Strib headline shouts?
Have the PC police added another " naughty word " to their list?
How about radical fascist Muslim jihadist?
Does that cover it?
»» Submitted by bud jr at 1:14 PM on March 2
Sparber, put down your sazerac, your post is out of context.
Go back and read the Strib piece again.
»» Submitted by bud jr at 1:20 PM on March 2
God damn, you're diverced from reality, bus, evidenced by your ongoing abuse of quotation marks.
Terrorist isn't simply a slur if it's untrue -- said aloud in a public forum, it's slander.
He simply stated "we are at war with the Islamic", which is certainly true.
I don't even know where to start with that. We're at war with Iraq, which was a secular nation before we invaded it, and almost certainly will be a fundamentalist Muslim country. So not only are we not at war with "the Islamic," we're actually actively helping them, as we did when we armed the Jihadists in the eighties and nineties, and as we did when we trained and supported Saddam Hussein.
But, you know, there's no point about worrying about facts when you're a racist.
Once again bud jr proves that there really is NO CEILING when it comes to RACIST, SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIC, "PATRIOTIC", FASCIST, MORONIC, SERIAL KILLING, PIGS on the Internet.
»» Submitted by Raindog66 at 1:24 PM on March 2
Raindog, time for your meds.
Slander, is it? Is terrorist sympathizer slander then, too?
Then that means terrorism is bad then, right?
Huh.
Anyone in the armed forces would tell you the bad guys are the Islamic fundamentalist jihadists.
You know, Al Queda.
Don't you people read anything other than these burger joint postings?
»» Submitted by bud jr at 1:30 PM on March 2
So what would an officer have to do to lose you respect Bud Jr?
I also wonder in what world do you get put on leave for 3 months for ethical violations and then get promoted within 2 years? I know where I work if you get caught with an ethical violation you will find all your personal effects at the security desk.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 1:35 PM on March 2
Respect?
Is THAT what the war on terror is about?
Police work is a dirty thankless job sometimes.
»» Submitted by bud jr at 1:39 PM on March 2
You know, you're doing the equivalent of dressing as Napoleon and speaking in tongues right now, bud.
Well it's fairly obvious this guy has the Dirty part down pat.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 1:45 PM on March 2
Pretty safe to say Kroll's issues are more deep-seated than an antagonistic relationship with Keith Ellison would spawn.
»» Submitted by »»» ericam at 1:29 PM on March 2
bud jr is unabashedly unafraid to get down on his knees for any cop-- no matter the circumstances.
That much is clear.
bud jr = cop concubine
Perhaps Ang Lee will "do you" in his next film, bud.
»» Submitted by Raindog66 at 1:54 PM on March 2
You a licensed psycholgist?
Or just a reactionary liberal?
»» Submitted by bud jr at 1:54 PM on March 2
It don't take a degree to recognize crazy. You just look for the guy whose shitting in his pans, bathing in urine, and claiming that Ellison is a terrorist sympathizer, and there you have it -- psychosis.
I love how bud jr. says "reactionary liberal" like it's a bad thing. Republicans don't react...they like to plan their pack of lies and half-truths WAY far in advance.
»» Submitted by »»» amber at 2:14 PM on March 2
We're at war with bud jr.
»» Submitted by »»» s4xton at 2:18 PM on March 2
Several of you are quite apparently at war with yourselves.
»» Submitted by bud jr at 2:39 PM on March 2
You just fried my brain banana with your circuitous logic!
It's just plain logic, granted it's anethema to liberals.
»» Submitted by bud jr at 2:43 PM on March 2
Actually, bud, you're wrong, Max is right - circuitous logic isn't "plain logic", it's fallacy.
Which means - just so you understand - it's bunk.
»» Submitted by »»» amber at 2:49 PM on March 2
Ooo, ooo, Mr. Kotter, Mr. Kotter...suck me into this!!!!
OK, so if we're at war with "the Islamics" (which why hasn't ANYONE said isn't a noun in this sense...where's Nathan, the English teacher), doesn't that mean that "the Islamics" are at war with "the Christianitites"? And if that's the case, how do all of you feel who are American Jews or Hindus or Agnostics or Aethists or real America-loving Muslims that you're all being lumped into this???
Bud, do you really believe that all Muslims are terrorists? If so, please. Just say so and let's be on with it.
This is insane. Anyone who says such a thing, regardless of their political views, are in a word "stupid." And, Bud, I've been through this before, I'm not a "liberal"...but I'm not "stupid" either.
Of course, Nathan, if you do proofread this thread, ignore my post.
»» Submitted by Andrew at 3:15 PM on March 2
Considering his grasp on world politics, Kroll probably lives in Bachmann's district.
Bottom line, Ellison is the elected representative of the people of the fifth district. If some thug cop or some asshat on a message board doesn't like that I really don't think anyone cares. But if that cop starts spouting off about it, has past run ins with city coucil members who are black, and a history of police brutality, he gets everything coming to him.
»» Submitted by --- at 3:18 PM on March 2
It's just plain logic, granted it's anethema to liberals.
No, it's just what you might think without really thinking or knowing about it. It's kinda like "Garage Logic." Do you listen to that show?
»» Submitted by »»» s4xton at 3:28 PM on March 2
The wussification of america continues.
»» Submitted by eye roller at 3:46 PM on March 2
I'd say the wussification of america is embodied by aging white males desperately clinging to a 1950's vision of their power but coming up empty, impotent and incompetent in every way. What happened to accountability? I thought that was the mantra of republicans, and after 6 years in total power, 5 years mired in Iraq, more lives lost than in 9/11, what do you have to show for it? And don't say "No turrest attack in Amurica", because all of the lives lost in Iraq surely count as much.
»» Submitted by --- at 3:50 PM on March 2
Friday threads were friendlier when Rex was here.
Seriously.
I'm going home soon to chill out, open a nice little white Bordeaux, and unwind. Y'all oughta do the same. Stop at Uncle Frankies or the Bulldog NE, if your attitude needs adjusting.
»» Submitted by just plain Bob at 3:59 PM on March 2
I'm gonna go see that crazy Thai film at the Lagoon tonight. Then get drunk. Then fall down.
I heard about that crazy Thai film! Give us a review later, Max.
»» Submitted by just plain Bob at 4:03 PM on March 2
Max...you forgot about the 12 year old thai hooker.
»» Submitted by grote at 4:05 PM on March 2
Jesus! How could I forget him?
"I'm gonna go see that crazy Thai film at the Lagoon tonight. Then get drunk. Then fall down."
Sounds like a Sparber weekend.
"I think you have a dubious notion of what hearsay is. This was a first hand account of these two officers having heard him actually say it. Just because they declined to give their names does not make it hearsay."
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Okay, I'm stuck in my office in a deserted and dead-silent building, and feeling bored and anal-retentive, so . . .
If you're reading a factual account in a newspaper, it's all hearsay to you, unless the reporter is telling you exactly what she saw herself.
If I tell you directly "I saw X happen," that's not hearsay to you. If I tell you directly "Bill says he saw X happen," that's hearsay to you. If a reporter tells you "Bill says he saw X happen," that's hearsay to us readers, but wasn't hearsay from Bill to the reporter.
If the unnamed officers actually made those statements directly to the reporter, then it wasn't hearsay to her, no matter whether she gives their names or not. If someone else told the reporter that the unnamed officers said those things, that would be hearsay to the reporter. Giving or not giving their names has no impact on whether this was hearsay.
Now, having said all of that, remember that (the subset of {most Mpls cops}) and Ellison have always hated each other, with passion and zeal.
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»» Submitted by »»» bobby_b at 4:18 PM on March 2
Both Kroll and Ellison are bad people, and get ahead by speaking out of their but. And they think they are protecting others when they are just touting themselves.
»» Submitted by Meredith at 5:05 PM on March 2
but what?
»» Submitted by »»» s4xton at 5:07 PM on March 2
"And they think they are protecting others when they are just touting themselves."
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You'd think that the Bosacker episode would dissuade these people from touting themselves in public.
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»» Submitted by »»» bobby_b at 5:20 PM on March 2
a cop i know who's been on the st. paul police force once told me, "being a cop is attractive to two kinds of people, those who truly believe in the system and those who would probably otherwise become involved in the system."
»» Submitted by »»» imagreen at 5:27 PM on March 2
LOL and true respectively on the last two posts
»» Submitted by bud jr at 6:36 PM on March 2
Well I have been compared to both Prince and Cat Power.
If that helps!
»» Submitted by Raindog66 at 7:26 PM on March 2
And if that's the case, how do all of you feel who are American Jews or Hindus or Agnostics or Aethists or real America-loving Muslims that you're all being lumped into this???
Christians have been trying to kill us all off for thousands of years. They'll keep trying. Sometimes they're more successful than others.
One of these days Christians will take being Christ-like seriously. But it ain't today.
»» Submitted by »»» zenrhino at 7:45 PM on March 2
Who's "us" zenrino?
»» Submitted by The Rat at 8:18 PM on March 2
I knew about a MPD cop who used to repeatedly beat and rape his girlfriend. She would call the police but they were always slow to arrive, if at all.
Eventually she changed her identity and left town. It was the only way she could escape.
Kind of puts the Bosacker incident in perspective, don't ya think?
»» Submitted by I am a Witness at 8:18 PM on March 2
"Kind of puts the Bosacker incident in perspective, don't ya think?"
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I knew of a guy who used to lure teenage boys into his rowhouse, molest them, kill them, and eat them.
So, ya know, I do understand where you're coming from.
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»» Submitted by »»» bobby_b at 9:37 PM on March 2
These two cops on the MPLS PD force were probably been at Mac Hammond's church so many times in which they managed to drink the Pat Robertson kool aid by selling their souls to the right-wing, evangelical crackpots out there.
By the way, did anyone see Anderson Cooper's show last night on CNN?
»» Submitted by Big G at 3:00 PM on March 3
BudJr: Probably one newspaper's your limit. But rest up your lips and see if you can get through this lengthy piece in the PiPress today about an ex-cop who actually is working to enable the violence of home-grown and worldwide terrorists. Maybe it'll better focus your otherwise ham-handed, indiscriminant dudgeon toward Rep. Ellison and other blameless American Muslims:
A TALE OF 501 GUNS
An ex-cop turns to gun trafficking, spreading his deadly wares to criminals and terrorism suspects nationwide, including Minnesota. Hundreds of his weapons remain in unknown hands.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/16834685.htm
»» Submitted by LJkokonutz at 2:49 PM on March 5
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